@mimorinka it's a indigenous american term for having male and female spirit
@Moon @mimorinka
it's kinda recent invention generic term rather than anything with "history", and lots of controversy about. maybe bit less popular term than something like "latinx"
it's kinda recent invention generic term rather than anything with "history", and lots of controversy about. maybe bit less popular term than something like "latinx"
@shmibs @mimorinka there are a bunch of tribes that have a analogous concept that has come and gone in prominence and acceptance.
@Moon @mimorinka
not really, no. there are lots of words and concepts in different nations that would today be things we'd call "lgbt", but they have assumptions/connotations/baggage that make them incompatible with each other and with modern ideas. so then basically some gay indians had a meeting where they were like "we want something that's generic and easy to use like 'gay', because all these traditional ideas are no good. but let's call it something else so it feels exclusively indian
not really, no. there are lots of words and concepts in different nations that would today be things we'd call "lgbt", but they have assumptions/connotations/baggage that make them incompatible with each other and with modern ideas. so then basically some gay indians had a meeting where they were like "we want something that's generic and easy to use like 'gay', because all these traditional ideas are no good. but let's call it something else so it feels exclusively indian
@shmibs @mimorinka I know, they're busy fabricating a history for it as we speak. Including "we were common and accepted before white people erased us"
@Moon @mimorinka
stuff that would be "lgbt" today did exist in lots of places that got stamped out by christian invasion. that's true of everywhere christian stuff went, though, originally-europe included. and it was mostly like hijra in actual india, "those weird people
stuff that would be "lgbt" today did exist in lots of places that got stamped out by christian invasion. that's true of everywhere christian stuff went, though, originally-europe included. and it was mostly like hijra in actual india, "those weird people
@shmibs @mimorinka like you mentioned before, some of the baggage they wanted to excise was being assigned tribal roles suitable only for outcasts. just meant that the idea that it was accepted before white people showed up isn't true.
@Moon @mimorinka
accepted insofar as people mostly weren't just murdered or told to stop existing like in abrahamic settings. pushed into awkward fixed social roles that are uncomfy to think about today yeh, but that was kinda true of everyone, gay or not. fixed social roles were kinda necessary for small tribe stability
accepted insofar as people mostly weren't just murdered or told to stop existing like in abrahamic settings. pushed into awkward fixed social roles that are uncomfy to think about today yeh, but that was kinda true of everyone, gay or not. fixed social roles were kinda necessary for small tribe stability
@Moon @mimorinka @shmibs
There was an interesting article about this from some kind of expert in native American cultures...
She wrote that identities like "two spirit" mostly existed in those cultures which had strict gender roles and thus couldn't accept a feminine man as an actual man.
In less sexist native American cultures, no such identities existed, because feminine men were just feminine men.
Sadly I haven't kept a link to the article. Wanna find it again.
There was an interesting article about this from some kind of expert in native American cultures...
She wrote that identities like "two spirit" mostly existed in those cultures which had strict gender roles and thus couldn't accept a feminine man as an actual man.
In less sexist native American cultures, no such identities existed, because feminine men were just feminine men.
Sadly I haven't kept a link to the article. Wanna find it again.
@taylan @mimorinka @Moon
dude, don't you have anything else at all to talk about besides trans-guy-erasing diatribe?
dude, don't you have anything else at all to talk about besides trans-guy-erasing diatribe?
>Hmmm yes I too dislike anime and transpeople. You are so mature for your age. Anyway, do you have a bf…
This is who you're arguing with.
@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @mimorinka @Moon @shmibs
Can't believe I have been told by Cumskin Foid Puncher 69 420, I will never recover from this.
Can't believe I have been told by Cumskin Foid Puncher 69 420, I will never recover from this.
@taylan @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @mimorinka @shmibs wherever this thread went off the rails is too far back in my notifs so I'm just gonna mute thread now insteaed of catching up.
@shmibs @mimorinka @Moon
The transgender movement is the worst thing to happen to liberal politics in at least the last decade. (Probably much longer, but I'm just 28 so I wouldn't know.)
It institutionalizes sexism and homophobia in law, justifies physical violence, death threats, and other harassment against feminists and gay rights activists, endorses dependence on medication and extreme body modifications for teenagers in place of teaching them self acceptance, rejects basic scientific observations in favour of dogma, and overall serves as an extremely destructive force in progressive politics that alienates great numbers of people.
I'll complain about it as much as I want tbh. Mute me if you can't handle that.
The transgender movement is the worst thing to happen to liberal politics in at least the last decade. (Probably much longer, but I'm just 28 so I wouldn't know.)
It institutionalizes sexism and homophobia in law, justifies physical violence, death threats, and other harassment against feminists and gay rights activists, endorses dependence on medication and extreme body modifications for teenagers in place of teaching them self acceptance, rejects basic scientific observations in favour of dogma, and overall serves as an extremely destructive force in progressive politics that alienates great numbers of people.
I'll complain about it as much as I want tbh. Mute me if you can't handle that.
@mimorinka @shmibs When white people get rid of religion they have to replace it with some other righteous urge.
@Moon @mimorinka @shmibs
So you're saying we need to JTAG some NPC's and roll them back to the older but more stable firmware.
So you're saying we need to JTAG some NPC's and roll them back to the older but more stable firmware.
@Moon @mimorinka @shmibs
queer stuff is just a form of spiritism tbh, there's this "real you" somewhere out there to be found roaming the world and so on
queer stuff is just a form of spiritism tbh, there's this "real you" somewhere out there to be found roaming the world and so on
@mimorinka a lot of these are redundant
@mimorinka It's a bit confusing since it usually only is used in American Indian cultures for somebody who has a third gender specific to those cultures.
